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#81 Taomeow

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Posted 29 October 2016 - 01:59 PM

@dusty:

 

Well, yes, it is normal to be sexually attracted to a woman who is ready for both, procreational sex and pregnancy, to notice the markers, and to treat girls who don't have those signs as "daughters" and "nieces" and "sisters."  It also used to be natural, apparently, to treat signs of aging in women as markers of readiness for cultivational sex rather than procreational sex, though I doubt that these markers were entirely physical -- after all as a species we didn't differ then from what we are now, and we always had a brain.  (At least until very recently...)

 

All taoist arts of the bedchamber (the real deal, not Mantak Chia's sexual constipation practices) are based on the premise that sex is way more than procreation and pleasure, it's a direct unbroken connection to the source of life itself, and like any high level practice, takes time and experience to fully master.  I believe they come from that faraway prehistory --

 

of which we know so little and have been told so many lies so often by people who pose as experts without any merit, just based on their penchant for extrapolating how THEY would fare under those circumstances.  That's why they portray our ancestors as clumsy and accident-prone and generally at the mercy of everything -- the elements, the beasts, "struggle for survival," what not.  Then they dig up a skeleton of quite possibly a centenarian and assert that our ancestors lived short lives because to them this skeleton looks like that of a modern 20-year-old --  no arthritis, no osteoporosis...  they determine lifespans by the amount of accumulated bone degradation, they have no other measuring tool for this.  And it doesn't occur to them that a human born and raised into health and never stunted from reaching peak abilities of the body and mind (there was nothing to take away from these and everything to let them fully unfold) was a creature not only very sturdy but in fact formidably strong and powerful.  And long lifespans were necessary because grandparents were prominently active in child-rearing... and frail, stupid old men and women is a modern civilized phenomenon -- people used to grow wise and competent with age, not senile...

 

...but I digress too far. 


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Posted 29 October 2016 - 02:52 PM

I do enjoy reading your rants, especially the ones regarding the ancients. I recall a similar post a year or so ago in which you were similarly indignant about age estimation based on bone degradation.. ^_^

 

And we can bring the digression back around: yes, a muscular and voluptuous bum (with a strong core and mobile hips!) is something to be proud of. Movement, baby carrying, attracting people, and more. And we can, hopefully, repattern our own musculature with good stretching and movement in the hope that we might regain some of what's been lost.....

 

 

 

I've been trying to improve my resting squat for the better part of the year (though not with great consistency). At the beginning of the year my hips were so tight and I had such poor dorsiflexion that squatting for 30 seconds on flat ground was a challenge (though still better than 2-3 years ago, when I couldn't squat at all). General stretching and doing my best to rest in the squat whenever convenient (not always convenient!) has helped, but recently slow & low squatting with a barbell with low weight (20-40kg) has got my resting squat noticeably more comfortable in just a couple of weeks. Just to highlight another loaded / resistance-based stretch..


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Posted 29 October 2016 - 04:03 PM

Sorry to repeat myself, I don't always remember what I said where to whom, but I always remember what I believe to be true.  This is a fractal trait, self-similarity, tao mao fa ziran.  Taomeow patterns herself on herself. 

 

As for the squat with weights...  um, I don't know anything about that, but since bums have already been amply discussed, especially ample bums, I will take them further.  The best training for the squat is the habit of squatting on the toilet, feet on the rim.  I may have mentioned this before too, if not, here it is.  I'm told that it's hard for people who have never done it, and they use some training device, a step or something, for the learning stage.  The benefit of practicing the squat this way is that you will practice every day.  ;)


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Posted 29 October 2016 - 05:55 PM

Stretching is good, not enough people do it. I live on the west coast where there's the opposite problem. People stretch so much that they become hyperflexible and start to lose joint stability. In some of the bodywork groups I've done with physical rehab patients, there have been more than a few people who were recovering from yoga, believe it or not.

 

Often when people watch videos or take classes, they compare their mobility to other people. Most of the people who are "good" at yoga and take all those awesome photos in coffee table books have over-extended tendons and ligaments. Very few people can sustain that into old age. If you do that much stretching you really have to do some muscle building to balance it out, otherwise you get what we industry insiders call "linguine joints".

 

But normal everyday stretching is awesome.

 

I just learned recently that the spinal discs are vascular until you reach puberty, then they become avascular. That's why kids are so much more flexible, because their spinal discs are constantly nourished and wastes are taken away. I've been studying medicine for over 10 years and somehow this fact escaped me.

 

So you actually HAVE to stretch to get new nutrients flowing to the spine.


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 02:44 AM

Sorry to repeat myself, I don't always remember what I said where to whom, but I always remember what I believe to be true.  This is a fractal trait, self-similarity, tao mao fa ziran.  Taomeow patterns herself on herself.

 

Don't be sorry. Honestly an enjoyable rant.

 

 

As for the squat with weights...  um, I don't know anything about that, but since bums have already been amply discussed, especially ample bums, I will take them further.  The best training for the squat is the habit of squatting on the toilet, feet on the rim.  I may have mentioned this before too, if not, here it is.  I'm told that it's hard for people who have never done it, and they use some training device, a step or something, for the learning stage.  The benefit of practicing the squat this way is that you will practice every day.  ;)

 

I'm always worried that I'll miss.

 

It's a shame that even in China there's a trend towards the sitting...

 

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Posted 30 October 2016 - 04:12 AM

this is a nice thread

 

i remember as a child and teenager I preferred walking barefoot and sitting in halflotus and squat.

i had many problems with it, the schoolteachers thought i behaved abnormally, me sitting in half lotus at my little desk and then forgetting my shoes when we got out of the classroom.

 

and I remember well how exasperated my mum could be when my shoes had  'vanished' again  :D


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 06:29 AM

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Right, so you see how Western civilization is a steady, progressive, anti-natural, degeneration of both mankind & the entire planet?

 

By sh*tting in pots, we no longer fertilize the ground and spread seeds of edible plants.  By flushing it with clean potable freshwater - we are both wasting and contaminating that global resource.  By sitting up instead of squatting, we are preventing complete elimination as well as weakening our glutes, etc.

 

To restore sustainable health back to ourselves and the planet - we actually need to be reversing this whole "evolution!"  Go back to sh*tting in the woods like bears! :lol:

 

America doesn't need CrossFit...  They just need to SquatSh*t, and at least start installing squat potties in their homes instead of sitting johns!


Edited by gendao, 30 October 2016 - 01:02 PM.

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Don't move the body - you train your Qi. Don't move your mind - you train your Spirit. - Fong Ha
I used to sit in full-lotus even on the can but there's not a lot of space in my bathroom. - drewhempel


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 06:54 AM

Having taken a few shits in the woods... I agree. It's not so fun by a lake with midges swarming up your passage, but a good wood shit is very satisfying.

 

And yes, if we pooed into relatively deep holes like is still done all over China and many other places, we could use dirty water to wash it away without worrying about dirty-water splashback (splashback being a problem in some modern toilets).

 

I also don't get the fondness for wiping butt with toilet paper. A quick rinse is much nicer. And I haven't done any calculations but I'd bet that a quick rinse with clean water is more eco-friendly and efficient and sanitary than grabbing up wads of tissue (many people I've shared living quarters with go through unspeakable amounts of paper each week).

 

Not sure about the whole of "Western civilization" being bad though (which one might infer from what you said!). I'd argue it's given us a lot of good stuff along with the degeneration. There should be a balance to be found...


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 07:04 AM

Not sure about the whole of "Western civilization" being bad though (which one might infer from what you said!). I'd argue it's given us a lot of good stuff along with the degeneration. There should be a balance to be found...

It's a bit of a tongue-in-cheeky meme.  I don't really mean absolutely only or all of Western civilization...

 

But to a large degree, a lot of these Western "improvements" (slight deviations from Nature) do seductively offer more presently convenient, "aesthetic," or apparent improvements of quality of life - but at unseen prices (typically damaging longterm health and widespread environmental impacts).  The Western vs Indigenous ways of simply taking a sh*t, are a great example of this difference!


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The ability to see in realtime that experience is not self is called enlightenment. - Kenneth Folk
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Don't move the body - you train your Qi. Don't move your mind - you train your Spirit. - Fong Ha
I used to sit in full-lotus even on the can but there's not a lot of space in my bathroom. - drewhempel


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 07:11 AM

lota...

much like a bidet but poor mans version

 

maybe spelled incorrect.


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 08:55 AM

lota...

much like a bidet but poor mans version

 

maybe spelled incorrect.

 

Would you want one? Some decent water pressure and we can have the water shoot out  :D


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 09:32 AM


I'm always worried that I'll miss.

 

 

The Chinese picture shows someone squatting who can't squat, he's perching too high! :D  I guess one would have to practice on solid ground first, and then your squat is so low you can't miss, the bum is not hovering over the target, it's right on target.  Incidentally, this is the cure for many gut problems too, because all the acupoints for the stomach are located in the middle of the foot and the rim under your body weight provides acupressure stimulation of these points, but even more importantly, the sitting position bends the intestines so you have to work against resistance.  I've always marveled at people who. e.g., read books or, these days, probably use their smartphones or laptops sitting on the john --  how much time do they need?  The squat gives no time at all for any unrelated activities.    


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 05:21 PM

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For those who want to squat but find the rim challenging.


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 08:31 PM

To help to learn the squat position, if challenging, is to put a book under each heal so they raise just a little bit... that is the tough part of getting into the position at the start.   BTW:  This is true for doing squats with weights.  One should have something raise the heals a little to take tension off areas that should not get tense.

 

I thought I had heard that the squat position though good for the stomach caused some other issues like hemorrhoids.

 

Ok... one squat story... in case you're ever in china and on a train... its a tricky squat with a wet floor and moving training. After my business, I was surprised they didn't make it easier with a hand rail... then I turned around and realized I faced the wrong direction  :lol: .     And please keep tissue on you everywhere, many places won't provide it ;)


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 11:40 PM

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I thought I had heard that the squat position though good for the stomach caused some other issues like hemorrhoids.

 

 

Urban legend. :)  If anything, it should prevent them.

 

The real danger is in doing it incorrectly and hurting the knees.  The squat must be done as the outcome of elongating the spine, not stretching out the ligaments in the knees.  The same rule that is used in taiji applies here: the knees must not go past the toes.

 

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This kind of squat, with your butt no more than an inch off the ground, is pretty easy for me, but I practice a difficult one too, which I was taught by one of master Wang Liping's instructors.  You squat in the horseback riding stance, going down and up with your spine absolutely straight, not sticking out the butt but pointing the tailbone straight down.  Palms together, pointing upward.  The instructor told me to aim to meditate in this position.  Well...  no.  No way.  Unless a one minute meditation counts. :)  At one point, I was doing it at the beach and some guy saw me from far away and came running to ask me what it was that I was doing.  Turned out he was a Krav Maga practitioner, and could tell that I was doing something pretty difficult.  People who don't practice anything never seemed impressed by this move :D even though I do it every time as a warm-up for my walking qigong on the beach.


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