Dzogchen, superior to Tantra. Really...?

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Edited May 10, 2016 by Wells

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[Tibetan_Ice]

After watching that video, one should read and understand that it is a little more complex than Tulku Lobsang makes it seem.

Simply relaxing and not grasping is good but there are some pitfalls concerning the alaya.

 

Check this out:

http://www.lotsawahouse.org/tibetan-masters/mipham/mipham-lamp

 

There is also the idea that you have to have some experience of rigpa before you try to remain in rigpa by relaxing unattachedly.

 

That is what direct introduction is for. Tulku Lobsang seems to have forgotten to mention that point.

 

 

From:

THE FEATURE OF THE EXPERT, GLORIOUS KING: "THREE LINES THAT HIT THE KEY POINTS"

ROOT TEXT AND COMMENTARY BY PATRUL RINPOCHE

TRANSLATED BY TONY DUFF

PADMA KARPO TRANSLATION COMMITTEE

 

 

 

THE FEATURE OF THE EXPERT, GLORIOUS KING:

 

THREE LINES THAT HIT THE KEY POINTS

 

Homage to the Guru.

The view is Longchen Rabjam;

The meditation is Khyentse Ozer;

The conduct is Gyalwa'i Nyugu.

 

When you practice like that, Buddhahood in one life presents no difficulty

And if not, still rational mind is happy A LA LA.

 

 

For the view, Longchen Rabjam,

The three line's meanings hit their key points.

 

First, relax your mind and stay there,

Neither elaborating nor concentrating, without discursive thought.

While in the state relaxed and dwelling evenly,

Suddenly strike rational mind by exclaiming a PHAT

-Its force is delivered sharp and short, E MA HO!

 

Nothing whatsoever, blankness;

Blankness has transparency;

The transparency's inexpressible.

Identify the dharmakaya rigpa!

 

Introduction to oneself; that is the first key point.

 

2 THREE LINES THAT HIT THE KEY POINTS

 

Then, whether there is proliferation or dwelling,

Anger, attachment, happiness, or sadness,

At all times and in every circumstance

The recognized dharmakaya is apprehended and

The previously-known mother luminosity joins with the son.

Stay in the state of the inexpressible rigpa factor.

Dwelling, bliss, clarity, joy—again and again destroy them. Let the letter of means and prajna suddenly descend. Equipoise and post-attainment are not distinct;

Session and inter-session are not distinguishable;

One remains continuously in the inseparable state. Nonetheless, until finality is obtained

Abandoning frivolity, cherish meditation.

Practice should be done in defined sessions.

At all times and in every circumstance

Preserve the one dharmakaya's shifting events.

Decide that there is nothing other than that.

Decision on one thing; that is the second key point.

 

At that point, attachment, anger, happiness, sorrow, and Every single one of the adventitious discursive thoughts Are self-recognized in the state without ensuing trace.

By apprehending the factor of liberation, the dharmakaya, They, for example like a drawing on water,

Self-shine-forth-self-liberate without discontinuity. Whichever one shines forth it is food for bare rigpa-emptiness;

However it moves it is the liveliness of the dharmakaya king;

Traceless, it is self-pure A LA LA.

The way of shining forth being like before compared to The way of liberation being distinct is a major key point. Without this, meditation is the path of confusion;

With this, non-meditating is the dharmakaya state.

 

ROOT 3

 

Assurance of liberation; that is the third key point.

 

In the view having the three points,

There are meditation connected with Wisdom-Love and The assistive general conduct of the Conqueror's Sons. Even if the Conquerors of the three times were to confer There would be no oral instruction superior to this.

 

Rigpa's liveliness, the dharmakaya treasure revealer

Takes the treasure from the space of prajna.

This is not like the quintessence of earth and rock;

It is the testament of Garab Dorje;

It is the three lineage's enlightened mind-juice.

It is entrusted to the heart-son.

Sealed!

It is the profound meaning. It is the heart story's

Heart story.

It is the key points of the meaning.

Do not let the key points of the meaning disappear.

Do not let the oral instructions dissipate.

This is the feature of the expert, glorious king!

 

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Edited May 10, 2016 by Wells

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From a Mengagde point of view, the nature of the dirt in the water is actually also emptiness and clarity,

so in actual training there is no need for the dirt to settle down.

Instead, the dirt is liberated into emptiness and clarity.

That is not the view of Mengagde but is the view of semde.

Everything that arises, good or bad , is the manifestation of natural state, therefore empty and beyond being samsara or nirvana.

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Edited May 10, 2016 by Wells