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#17 Michael Sternbach

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 11:03 PM

In my opinion, the videos by Joanna Zorya mentioned above by Zerostao (as well as her others that relate to Taiji and Xingyiquan) are very recommendable for their in-depth explanations of principles.

 

Ted Mancuso's Bagua videos are well produced and excellent in content as well - and the man is certainly most dynamic!

 

I also enjoyed the 2012 DVD Ba Gua Zhang (Pa Kua Chang) - Fighting Secrets of the Internal Arts by Richard E Clear JR. I would suggest this as well as Clear's other videos if you are looking for ideas how internal martial arts might be used in a context of realistic self-defence.

 

In this regard, don't overlook Erle Montaigue who made dozens of interesting videos on Bagua and many more on related topics.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 02:13 AM

My personal advice on this:

 

1. Learn from a teacher who has inherited the knowledge traditionally (personal instruction) since you will be acquiring the knowledge of generations of BGZ masters (kind of an osmosis). This is invaluable and no books and DVDs can ever provide this sort of information.

 

2. Focus on the fundamentals: stepping, circle walking, mindfulness/concentration and dedication/hard work (effort). The teacher will be your guide but don't expect them to gain mastery by doing little...it is hard to find a good teacher but even harder to find a good student.

 

3. DVDs and books are useful as a supplementary tool. I can vouch for Liu Jingru's (Cheng style) DVDs as he is an excellent teacher and very easy to follow. His videos have English subtitles and can be purchased on eBay. Here's a link to the 8 Changing Palms form in Chinese language (no English subs) to give you an idea about what you'd expect.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 08:50 AM

The Association of Traditional Studies videos on YouTube:
 
http://www.youtube.c...lstudies/videos
 
 

Yup, Andrew will be putting everything he has up on youtube, including all the old stuff with Dr Xie!

If you like it please subscribe to his youtube channel, and click on the ads the proceeds generated go back to his teachers families.

http://www.youtube.c...lstudies/videos


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 01:19 PM

In this regard, don't overlook Erle Montaigue who made dozens of interesting videos on Bagua and many more on related topics.

 

and who has many students in Austria and Switzerland (for some reason) :)


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Posted 29 July 2014 - 10:11 AM

An excellent and very insightful interview with Michael Guen (Yin Fu>Gong Baotian>Gong Baozhai lineage) every Bagua practitioner should read.

 

Baguazhang a gift from Heaven. :)


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:00 PM

Full Bagua videos with teacher Sun Zhijun (Cheng Tinghua style via Cheng Dianhua>Cheng Yousheng>Sun Zhijun lineage):
 
1. Basics
 
2. Eight Old Palms (fixed palms neigong)
 
3. Eight Mother Palms
 
4. 64 Palms
 
Enjoy!

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Posted 02 August 2014 - 10:59 AM

Gerard, very good videos but the "eight mother palms" link does not work.

I know this set of "eight mother palms":


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Posted 02 August 2014 - 02:19 PM

Fixed, thanks.

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Posted 21 August 2014 - 11:42 PM

Here's an excellent article discussing the Taoist shamanic roots of this incredible art:
 
As Above so Below

The Dances of Yu (禹步) and the Sigil of Saturn
 
Since the mythological Xia Dynasty (which many theorists have speculated a Middle Eastern origin) that predated Chinese Shang Dynasty, the word 舞 (Wu, Dance) is viewed in the same context as that of 巫 (Wu, Sorcery) on the oracle carvings, notwithstanding the fact that both having similar phonetics. 禹步 (Dance of Yu; origins as that of the dances performed by Ta Yu to control the flood) are one of the most important ritualistic dances engaged by mediums and shamans for a variety of situations ranging from controlling of weather to the subduing of demons.
 
 
In this article, we are interested in powerful binding nature of the dance utilized in many powerful Taoist rituals like 雷法 (Thunder Magic). From here, we will also see the similarity to the Sigil of Saturn that has the same movement that activates the Seal of Solomon to bind spirits. There are many variations of the 禹步 (Dances of Yu) and the most popular are known as 踩八卦 (Stepping on Ba Gua, and the dance variety is known as 八卦舞) and 踏七星 (Stepping on the 7 stars of Big Dipper). We will emphasize on the 八卦舞 (Ba Gua Dance) aspect.
 
 
八 卦舞 (Ba Gua Dance) is an interpretive ritual of the Ba Gua through directions of its trigrams and itself clocks The Big Dipper with movement of the Elemental Flow of Trigram in the 洛書 (Luo Shu) Magic Square configuration template. The laws of the Ba Gua Dance is based on Yin Yang, two nature of the Cosmos, and its interchangeability. The dancer is an embodiment of the dynamic Chi, with every breathing, elevation and fall, rhythm and tempo, strength and weakness, the duality is emphasized.
 
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In the Nine Stars Ritual, all the Seven Stars of the Big Dipper inclusive of two auxillary stars are 左辅 and 右弼, known as 游魂 (Wandering Soul) and 归魂 (Returning Soul) are utilized. The Spells (咒语) guide the different hand gestures, and Incantations (巫词) guide the path and rhythm of the dance. The following are the incantation (巫词) of 八卦舞 for the Nine Star Gods:
 
 
一黑贪狠坎水金二白巨门坤士临。三青禄存震木是四绿巽上文曲星。五黄廉中属中土六玄武曲乾上巡。七白破中金是兑八白左辅艮土中。九紫右弼离火红玄中妙诀胜黄金。
 
The above follows the course of all the Nine Stars of the Big Dipper, the invocation of the Nine Star Gods. The incantations will also include details about the 5 Colours, 5 Elements, the Earthly Branches (Di Zhi), 28 Mansions and the Trigrams. The dances follow 6 unions, 3 inner unions in (精, 气, 神) and 3 in outer unions in (根, 干, 枝). The body is an embodiment of the universe, the head the Heaven, the body Man and legs the Earth. The formation of the dance can utilize the 先天八卦 (Early Heaven Ba Gua) of He Tu or the 后天八卦 (Post Heaven Ba Gua) of Luo Shu. Although the formations may be different however there are constant regions in five directions, mainly Metal (West), Wood (East), Water (North), Fire (South) and Earth (Middle). When the dance moves (movement from 1 to 9 on Luo Shu for example) are laid out, it becomes the Sigil of Saturn that is very prominent in Kabbalistic Esoteric concepts (diagram below right).
 
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八 卦舞 (Ba Gua Dance) is a form of 巫步 (Magical Steps) that can be used to bind demons and counter evil. There is a saying in Chinese: 鹤能巫步禁蛇故食蛇 which translates to The Crane utilise magical steps to subdue the Snake, to eat it.. That reminds me of an interesting article that Dr Ong Hean Tatt put out in his book The Chinese Pakua An Expose. He mentioned that the 茅山 (Mao Shan) sect practices black magic in terms of Serpent magic that utilized horizontal array of the eight trigrams with a moving changeable and highly flexible powerful serpent head (in the trigram Chen), a manifestation of the Dark Watery Serpent of the North. To counter the black magic, 雷法 (Thunder Magic) utilizes the Ba Gua Dance as part of the ritual (movement from 1 to 9 on Luo Shu), it invokes the powerful symbol of Fiery Southern Phoenix at 9 to battle the serpent.
 
The Ba Gua Dance in the Trigram is symbolic of the dynamics of the Nine Star Gods and it resembles that of the Kabbalistic Sigil of Saturn. The Sigil of Saturn is an integral part of the Hexagramic Seal of Solomon (Star of David), which is perfect constant in the cosmos, whereas the Sigil of Saturn marks Space and Time. The dynamics of time in opposition trapped in the perfect constant will subdue and imprison demons and their activities. The Saturnian power of the Black Sun is the hallmark of the esoteric movement. The close similarity of the two Chinese and Middle Eastern symbols suggest that there were connections between the two cultures in antediluvian times.
 
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Source.
 
 
The benefits delivered by Bagua are immense. A real treasure of the ancient world.
 
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Photo of Li Ziming sweeping Dong Haichuan's tomb.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 07:29 PM

More Bagua videos.

 

1. Liang Zhenpu style and the Old Eight Palms routine (Ba Da Zhang):

 

Palm 1 (single change palm)

Palm 2 (double change palm)

Palm 3 (back-to-back palm)

Palm 4 (chopping hand palm)

Palm 5 (smooth body palm)

Palm 6 (follow step palm)

Palm 7 (rub body palm)

Palm 8 (three pierces palm)

 

Teacher: Di Guoyong (Dong Haichuan>Liang Zhenpu>Li Ziming>Di Guoyong)

 

2. Yin Fu style (Zhu Baozhen lineage via Dong Haichuan>Yin Fu>Liu Yinliang>Liu Zhenling>Zhu Baozhen).

 

Some drills:

 

Part 1

Part 2


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 07:55 PM

Back to Cheng style and one of the best teachers of the family, Liu Jingru (Dong Haichuan>Cheng Tinghua>Cheng Youxin>Liu Jingru).

 

His Bagua is heavy on lower basin work. I recommend a lot of foundation (refer to He Jinghan's foundation exercises at Baguaquanlessons.com) and basic circle walk before attempting this and the following routine unless you are naturally flexible and get into pu bu stance easily:

 

Eight Changing Palms - Ba Da Zhang (full video with English subtitles, very well demoed)

 

Youshen Lian Huan Zhang - Swimming Dragon Linking Palms (full video with English subtitles, very well demoed; difficult to execute and very demanding routine)


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:54 PM

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Full Bagua videos with teacher Sun Zhijun (Cheng Tinghua style via Cheng Dianhua>Cheng Yousheng>Sun Zhijun lineage):
 
1. Basics
 
2. Eight Old Palms (fixed palms neigong)
 
3. Eight Mother Palms
 
4. 64 Palms
 
Enjoy!

Master Sun is phenomenal. I was introduced to him by his student in the videos Chungling Li. Master Sun has received an award by the Chinese Government for being a Cultural Treasure . Master Sun was recognized because of his skill ,lineage and what he has done for the art as a coach. Many of his students are high level competitors. He is 79 in the videos and still moves well. He told me some amazing things. He has a new book out with DVD that was translated from his original book in Chinese with some additional information on Nei Gong and a letter written by Cheng Ting Hua you can get it at Plumb Publications. I will be going to Singapore to train with Chungling Li in November. 


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Posted 04 September 2014 - 03:02 PM

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Here is a picture of Master Sun Zhi Jun's Plaque from the Cultural Ministry

 

 

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Picture of Bagua Master Cheng Yousheng nephew of Cheng Ting Hua with Master Sun Zhi Jun

 

 


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Posted 05 September 2014 - 06:31 AM

I hadn't kept up w/ reading this thread and yesterday caught up a bit, read through more, watched several linked videos...

*wow!*, thank you! everyone for contributing.



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 08:57 PM

I hope this thread proves useful to those interested in learning a Taoist (and Buddhist since it also works heavily on the conditioned mind) internal art. Avoid falling into the "I want to learn Bagua for fighting" camp, it is far more important developing yourself as a true individual and learn how to walk the circle perfectly (no room for error) rather than getting involved with the superficial aspect of the art.

 

In the following video series (a total of 6 videos are available on YouTube) you can observe perfect stepping, alignment and no tension. He Jinghan is barely using muscle force. 100% relaxation and dropping any muscle tension focusing on movement being originated from the hips and the crotch as well as using jing are other important factors to be taken into account when learning to walk the circle correctly.


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Posted 06 September 2014 - 07:29 AM

I hope this thread proves useful to those interested in learning a Taoist (and Buddhist since it also works heavily on the conditioned mind) internal art. Avoid falling into the "I want to learn Bagua for fighting" camp, it is far more important developing yourself as a true individual and learn how to walk the circle perfectly (no room for error) rather than getting involved with the superficial aspect of the art.

 

Don't worry. People of your mind have seen to it that most practitioners are hardly aware of the "martial" in the internal martial arts any longer. And instructors able to teach this side are rare and far between.

 

As a result, folks who are interested in self-defence are more or less forced to turn to harder styles.

 

The way I see it, cultivating "the warrior within" can indeed be an important aspect of in-depth self-development. Pardon my superficiality.


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