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Posted 06 April 2014 - 05:35 AM

What does Dan Tien translate as in Chinese please?
Is it 'belly'?
I just read something in Chadwick that seems to imply that it is.
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Posted 06 April 2014 - 05:49 AM

It means elixir field or pill field ... 


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 05:50 AM

Short answer:

Dan = elixir
Tien = field

There are three major ones, two of which aren't in the gut. It gets more complex than this, of course.

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 06:36 AM

Should have been more specific in the OP.
Apologies.
Does Dan Tien in Chinese also refer to or is the term ever used colloquially in China to mean 'belly'.

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 09:37 AM

Dan/tan is like center or placement

Tien - Heaven; Yang energy; Hard and direct.

 

You can store "Tien" yang energy anywhere, but always best in the belly:)

when you do this good, yin will rise. 


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 12:05 PM


Does Dan Tien in Chinese also refer to or is the term ever used colloquially in China to mean 'belly'.

 

oh, lol. I was on my mobile when I saw your first post and wanted to preface my reply with something like, 'I think you already know this and are probably asking something completely unrelated, but ... ". But, I was on my phone and was truncating my response.

 

Um, I don't know if somewhere in China the term Dantien is used to mean belly, but I srsly doubt it. The word for belly or abdomen is, I think, Duzi or similar. I only know this because I looked it up once. You would need a native Chinese speaker to answer your question fully.


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 01:01 PM

Should have been more specific in the OP.
Apologies.
Does Dan Tien in Chinese also refer to or is the term ever used colloquially in China to mean 'belly'.

Actually the chinese language like to use "puns" and a have a humourous way to use word.

The profane people because of watching many Wuxia movies are expected to call the

belly the Lower Dantien but for cultivators it is depending on their lineage schools defintion.


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 01:12 PM

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 03:13 PM

What does Dan Tien translate as in Chinese please?
Is it 'belly'?
I just read something in Chadwick that seems to imply that it is.
Many thanks.

 

"Sink Chi to the Dan Tian" means abdominal breathing. I let you go from here.


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 10:55 PM

Nope.
Dan means cinnabar. And Tian means field, like an agricultural field where you sow and reap.
Both words have metaphorical meaning.
the cinnabar is a red substance which is found in the earth, and by cooking into a metallurgical cauldron you obtain mercury.
Then by cooking mercury in the next cauldron you obtain silver and finally the golden pill or the golden pearl.
Each transformation is done in a different Dan Tian, because there are three Dan Tian-s in each you do a different transformation.
The first transformation is done in the belly because cinnabar comes from earth, and the earth is the metaphor for stomach and guts.
In the guts you naturally produce serotonin by eating tryptophan. If you heat the guts with your breathing the serotonin is "cooked".
This is the first transformation which is collecting the cinnabar. Then you have to mix the cinnabar with the electromagnetic fluid of heart, which is like a fluid metal and by mixing with the serotonin you cook the mercury. You can do that only at the tzu hour because only at that hour the fluid of the heart is exiting and flowing through the channels like a dragon exits its cave and flies through clouds. By mixing with the electromagnetic fluid of the heart the serotonin becomes ionized and permeates the blood-brain barrier and enters the cerebrospinal fluid, and from there floods the pineal gland where is the third Dan Tian where is supposed to convert into melatonin and DMT and other hormones like G rowth hormones in the pituitary and many others. These hormones have immense healing power and they are the elixir of immortality. Melatonin is the most potent antioxidant in the body, together with GH rejuvenates all the tissues, and you look younger. Once you obtain the Golden pill or the Pill of Immortality you put it back in the Earth, you sow it and then at the next lunar cycle you reap more, because the substances multiply. This is obtaining the first level of immortality which is Earth immortal.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:46 AM

Yes, but it's just more useful to refer to it as elixir. The real thing is toxic.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 06:24 AM

上丹田是頭部

Upper Dan Tian is the head section

 

中丹田是胸部

Middle Dan Tian is the chest section

 

下丹田是腹部

Lower Dan Tian is the abdominal section


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 07:12 AM

You can do that only at the tzu hour because only at that hour the fluid of the heart is exiting and flowing through the channels like a dragon exits its cave and flies through clouds.

When is this "tzu hour"?



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 07:15 AM

When is this "tzu hour"?


It is 子時 from 11:00 pm to 1:00 am.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 07:19 AM

Yes but the elixir is the final substance after the whole alchemical process, and Dan is the prime substance which is not the chemical cinnabar which is poisonous, but Dan is a metaphorical idea about what happens inside the body. And by the way, if you read the Prakriti your Ayurvedic constitution book by Robert Svoboda, there you can find description of how in yogic tradition are prepared pills out of mercury (the real one, not the metaphoric one) for various treatments. But the preparation is very careful and takes a very long time.
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Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:28 AM

Andrei, that's as good an explanation as I've ever seen. Where on the Kabbalah tree of life would you place these steps?






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