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Posted 09 October 2013 - 07:18 AM

Just out of curiosity, does the Yogic tradition end up at the place of the Sun, Osiris?  Is Shiva a metaphor for the sun?  It seems that all traditions end up / start there, with the constellations revealing exactly what the sun is doing at any place in time, from the perspective of the ancient farmers of the Nile delta.

 

Aries, for example, (the ram, but previously interpreted as a lamb), as at the time of the rising of Aires and subsequently Taurus, (bull or ox) both of these symbolized the time when tilling and planting was to be done.  This was also the time when lambs gave birth to their young, the vernal equinox. A wonderfully happy time of year for the delta dwellers.   All symbols of the zodiac were in relation to what the sun was doing and in what constellation it was rising.  The fear of winter (little sun, shorter days, no crops) was kicked off by the sun rising in Cancer (crab), so symbolized because the crab retreats into his shell, symbolizing the shortening of the days; things only got worse from there.  When the sun rose in virgo (virgin)  pouring water out of an urn, designated the overflowing of the Nile every year.

 

I often wonder if the reversion of the Tao is no more than the reversion of our attention being drawn back to the sun, the object of worship of the ancients.  Especially since the yin and yang (black and white) is also personified in the ancient sun and moon (Osiris and Isis).  The sun was the aggressive male, emitting its rays upon which life depended;  the moon, on the other hand, received the rays and reflected them down to earth, a passive quality but one which affects everything having to do with water and who knows what else.

 

Traveler, have you traced Shiva back at all?  There must be commonality at the beginning.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 10:20 AM

I love the story of Isis, Osiris and Seth. It is very Masonic and I used to be active in that group. If I recall my reading of Egyptology right, a new group took over Egypt at a certain point and replaced Ra with Osiris. So, the sun and Osiris are synonyms. On a metaphysical level, there are two energies: sky and earth which have the potential to merge, called the Chymical Marriage. Horus is the result, the Holy Child or Savior. If you look up in your mind you will see a sun, your personal sun. A friend of mine called this the Eye of Heaven or Eye of Ra. You can awaken this sun and look through it into other dimensions, other layers of Self. You can look down into the center of the Earth and see this as well. Mystress Angelique Serpent taught how to shoot the sun and the earth with beams of light which release their energy which then flow up and down into your body. This is her Grounding Meditation

 

You might think of this inner earth energy as being represented by the Moon and the inner sun energy by the sun. Also by Shiva and Shakti, yang and yin, chi and jing, pingala and ida. Then there is the Holy Child or Son. Yin and yang merge to become yaun, a third neutral energy. Ida and pingala become the kundailini fire, jing and chi become shen.

 

So, yes, I see Shiva as part of this world-wide network of symbols of the sun. On a physical level, the moon is the pineal and the sun is the pituitary. When the pineal wakes up, your inner world turns a brilliant white. In the Bible, Jesus speaks of the ten virgins and their lamps of oil. I would wager that these lamps are the pineal and a person cannot enter the Marriage Feast until the pineal ignites. Later, when the pituitary wakes up, your inner world is filled with golden light.

 

After shen comes wu, which is a whole new world, like the emptiness beyond the stars. It is no coincidence that the Taoist used the heavenly bodies in their inner alchemy. Have you ever focused on the stars to draw energy down into you?

 

The middle, the place between all the merging energies, happening on many levels, suddenly awakens. It is the heart. Heart work was a cornerstone for my very early inner work, and continues to play a major part. We live where the sun and earth meet, Mystress Angelique Serpent said. The heart is where the sun and earth energies meet on an inner world level. We are children of the sun and the earth and our expanding consciousness is irrevocably connected to these heavenly bodies.

 

There, did that explain what I think well enough? Maybe too much. As always, I consider all my views as subjective and entirely in my own place.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 08:41 AM

When you speak of Mystress Angelique Serpent, are you speaking of the same MYS that hosted the Kundalini-Gateway website? If so, I was on that as Manitou as well (I think) - it could have been another name.

As to Freemasonry, maybe you read above that I am currently studying Morals and Dogma (Albert Pike) and when I say studying, I mean studying. This is not a quick read, lol. I'm currently at maybe the 26th degree - this is the 800 pager that goes deeply into human psyche and parallels the various legends, like the ones we're talking about, which emit from the original awe and fear of the presence of the sun. Like, that's our original imprint, and each society had their own way of telling the story. I've never enjoyed a metaphysical book as much as this one, and Pike makes Blavatsky look like a materialist. Another wonderful source for these initial legends is of course Manley Hall, another great metaphysician.

I'm assuming you too are K-active. If your inner fire is anything like mine, the last thing I want to do is draw even more energy to me by stealing them from the stars, lol. My flame burns constant and I have energy to burn. Working out the energy is my usual concern, but I am doing my best to utilize it and transfer it into the healing energies, as you are.

I agree with everything you said above from personal experience. You are very knowledgeable. My memory is my current problem (although I shouldn't even affirm that by saying it) - it seems like any knowledge I gain is stored within somehow, and is available when needed. But unfortunately it doesn't seem to cling to my conscious memory. But within it remains, and it can always be counted upon to come forth at just the right time.

Heart was my cornerstone for inner work as well - although mine came through the 12 steps of recovery through Alcoholics Anonymous, a process that started nearly 32 years ago. Once the digging process is found and understood, it never quite stops, does it? Today I find myself asking why I manifest a particular condition or situation - knowing that I played a great part in it. To not try and place the blame elsewhere. What a difference from when one feels that they are separate from the All, that it is 'me' against the entire world. Now we are aware that we are part of the One, you and I.

Today when my husband and I went to breakfast, I heard 'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother' on the radio. I've always loved that song; but when I was much younger I assumed it referred to one's actual brother. Today, this morning, I Felt the Oneness of the song - what a beautiful soul must have written that song. There are so many different degrees of understanding, that that song is a fine example.

Yes, we are Stardust. Some part of me so hopes that all this political craziness we're going through right now is the death-prattle of our national ego, with a new and kinder nation emerging. We can only hope.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 09:24 AM

Pike created what we have today as Scottish Rite. He was a genius. I haven't read his book but have engaged in plenty of conversations about its precepts. Yes, my k wakened years ago in a very Taoist way. I don't see any separation between schools of esoteric teachings; they all seem to be saying the same thing with different clothing. Tapping into the star energy is a One Cloud (Mantak Chia's teacher) method used in the Highest Kan and Li. I focused on Polaris for a few minutes years ago and felt an energy, very subtle and beautiful, flowing into me. That was the only time I played with it.

 

Here is a thought: we have yin and yang, which are polarities. This world is run by the principle of duality, inescapable it seems, until we step up into another dimension and experience unity as the true nature of the Universe. K is what takes us there and burns this new paradigm into our consciousness.

 

Among all the polar differences in this world, the greatest is self and other. It is an illusion. We are all part of the original thought which is love.

 

All things, all life, all of the creation is part of one original thought. ... Let us for a moment consider thought. What is it, my friends, to take thought? Took you then thought today? What thoughts did you think today? What thoughts were part of the original thought today? In how many of your thoughts did the creation lie? Was love contained? And was service freely given? You are not part of a material universe. You move your body, your mind, and your spirit in somewhat eccentric patterns for you have not completely grasped the concept that you are part of the original thought. ...

 

There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. ... We are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One. (Law of One, session 1)

 

I have a lot of respect for the 12 step program and it was truly inspired. It can be used for an assortment of situations, not just alcoholism, I've noticed. 

 

About memory: it is said, "A master knows without knowing." When the inner mind takes a more prominent part in our conscious world, a dropping off of the need to think is natural. That has been my experience. So, let your memory be what it is. Shakti is an intelligent energy and will do as she wills with you once awakened. Ultimately, there is only one golden light, though we all seem to be filled with only a part of it. Self and other exist here but not there. Boundaries dissolve as your mind expands. You find that love is and always has been the only energy of this vast universe.

 

Of course, you know all this. I am only putting it in words.

 

Here's a idea for you: can you find a verse in the Hua Hu Ching that matches a section in Pike's book? Maybe Pike can shed some light on this Taoist text.


Edited by traveler, 10 October 2013 - 07:02 PM.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:32 AM

The Hua Hu Ching is a most amazing book. I've been reading it since 2009. I'd like to comment on the translation of chapter 69. I don't have the original text nor could I read it if I did, but I challenge the use of "cell" here. We in modern times think of a cell as one of the many microscopic building blocks of the physical body. So we naturally read it that way here in this chapter. What are some other words that mean the same thing as cell that could be substituted? How about vessel, cavity, cauldron, palace, stove. Do you get my drift? I purpose that the word "cell" be replaced with "energy center".

 

The second word I will challenge is "intercourse". The text defines angelic intercourse as nonsexual, that is, not uniting sex organs with sex organs. You will have to decide what kind of sex that is. The term "angelic dual cultivation" works better. I will suggest that the word, intercourse, could be replaced with "energy exchange". The Karazza folks have interpreted this chapter to mean prolonged sexual intercourse in stillness, such as with Yab Yum. While that is a potent meditation device, I don't think this is the intended meaning here.

 

This chapter gives the most detailed description of dual cultivation in the book. What is self-cultivation? In chapter 71 we read: "For one, celibacy and self-cultivation will be appropriate; for another, properly guided dual cultivation will derive the greatest benefit." self-cultivation is nonsexual in every way - no self sex. No arousal leading to sublimation. The Hindus call this Brahmacharya. I'll quote Osho:

 

The basic natural possibility of this [muladhara] chakra is the sex urge of the physical body. The very first question that arises in the mind of the seeker is what to do in regard to this central principle. Now there is another possibility of this chakra, and that is brahmacharya, celibacy, which is attainable through meditation. Sex is the natural possibility and brahmacharya is its transformation. The more the mind is focused upon and gripped by sexual desire, the more difficult it will be to reach its ultimate potential of brahmacharya. (Osho)

 

That is self-cultivation, celibacy. The other path is dual cultivation. Both are valid paths. Lao Tzu said so in chapter 71, as quoted. Celibacy comes upon you and thereafter it is a joy. Sublimation takes on a different quality. It is as if your body is being filled with a pressure. This sensation is stabilizing, calming. You get as much pleasure from abstaining as you ever did from passionate sex. At this point in the alchemical journey, you are no longer you. The "I" has become expansive, so that your sense of self includes everyone else. Self cultivation and dual cultivation has become the same thing. It is very sexual and it is also not at all sexual in the normal sense.

 

Chapter two gives us this beautiful gem:

 

The first practice is the practice of undiscriminating virtue: take care of those who are deserving; also, and equally, take care of those who are not. When you extend your virtue in all directions without discriminating, your feet are firmly planted on the path that returns to the Tao. (Hua Hu Ching, by Lao Tzu)

 

Judgment. We humans like this activity a lot. That's where sin comes from: judging something to be either good or bad. Our civilizations have made the assumption that just because we operate under this perception of judgment here that the Angelic Realm must do the same. There is no judgment in the upper realms. We do not have to wait until death to enter these realms. When you feel the words of Lao Tzu sink into your bones so that you truly cease to judge, then you have expanded your awareness to include these upper realms. Peace replaces fear; stabilization replaces chaos.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:51 AM

Traveler, as we are of One Mind, I would love your help on something.  Please read post #11 in this thread where I did a ceremony for a young man that was in a motocross accident and ended up quadriplegic.  His father is an alcoholic, and the boy is terrified of him.  His father forced him to enter the race.  Please look at my interpretation of this dream and tell me if you see it as wrong, or specifically to the opposite of what I see.  I think this dream directly relates to my question of whether to have another ceremony for Joshua (young man)

 

Yesterday, I made up my mind to do another ceremony to get the current down to his lower body (I would get Chrissy, his friend, back to do it again; this time with more focus on the lower limbs - same physical ceremony with the rice and the lamp).  I had determined that today I would contact Chrissy and have her come back over to do it.

 

This morning, I woke up with a dream fresh on my mind.  I had dreamt of Lance Armstrong - it suddenly hit me that Lance was a 'biker', although not a motocross rider - but the analogy is there.  I know no famous motocross riders, so it makes sense that this would come to me as Lance.  Lance was standing at the edge of a pool.  He was coaching a young girl who was in a wheelchair to learn to swim.  She and her wheelchair were up on the diving board; she dove in, still sitting in the chair; but able to use her arms (as Joshua now is too).  She swam across the length of the pool okay (still attached to the chair).  Toward the end of her swim she went under; something had happened to the chair, it broke somehow, dragging her down.  Lance did nothing.  He just stood there, looking into the water, standing next to a duffel bag.  Finally the girl popped up (I don't remember seeing the chair at all) and she was gasping for breath, coughing and sputtering.

 

Still, he did nothing.  He had no expression on his face, no panic, no nothing.  After he saw that she came up, he bent over and picked up his duffel bag and left; didn't help her out or help her regain her chair.  He just left.

 

I remember turning to the person sitting next to me and saying "What an Asshole", referring to the fact that Lance didn't help her out of the pool to check to see that she was okay.

 

The moment I woke up, my first thought was that I was wrong in calling him an asshole.  It was a judgment, which was my error, I knew this immediately.

 

What I'm thinking is that Joshua needs to go within, without judgment, and reexamine his relationship with his father.  He needs no further assistance in the way of ceremony; the rest is up to him and getting through the blockage in his psyche, the paralyzing fear of his father.  Lance did exactly the right thing; he took his 'medical bag' (or provision cart, in our case) and let it be.  I think that's what I will do; I will let this be, unless the situation spins into me again in some form.  I would be happy to assist Joshua in learning to love his alcoholic father without judgment (as hard as that would be for a teenage boy)  so that he doesn't re-manifest anything of this nature again.  But I will take no steps to do so unless, as I say, it spins around again, in the form of a request from my friend Chrissy or Joshua's mother.

 

From your outside position, can you triangulate anything different in this dream as it pertains to the situation?  Do you think I'm seeing this correctly, or can you see it a different way?  I may be too close.

 

Your idea of looking into the Hua Hu Ching and looking for commonalities with Pike is a good one; a very meaty idea.  I was under the impression that Pike didn't create the Scottish Rites, but instead organized longstanding traditions which to that point had been verbal and handed down.  Do try and find this book!  It will astound you, I guarantee it.  The way he ties in all traditions, mystic and religious, from around the world, throughout history, is a rare thing of beauty.  Manley Hall does much the same but Albert Pike, as you say, is truly a genius.  Actually, they both are.


Edited by manitou, 11 October 2013 - 07:54 AM.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:53 AM

Your ceremony was beautiful. Your interpretation of your dream is as much your right to own as was the dream itself. One rarely comes without the other but only if you ask. You have asked and received your answer. Let him be. He will heal in the way he is meant to heal. Of course we all want him to walk again. The Tao doesn't see it the way we do. And it may be to his best advantage in this life to have physical problems from this. Send him your love as you are doing. That is just what "God" would do. You can do no better than God. Because you are God.

 

Anne McCaffrey said, "Infallibility would be a bore; I have been wrong in the past and I plan on being wrong in the future." (The White Dragon, by Anne McCaffrey)

 

I could be dead wrong about Pike's level of contribution to Scottish Rite. I am basing my opinion on conversations with other Masons on the topic. According to my friends, the material Pike started with was incomprehensible, fragmented to the point of no return. A. Pike did the Masons a great favor by sorting this stuff out, and his book is a gift to the world. I will get a pdf of it along with Hall's book. I would be glad to discuss this with you. There is a great deal of unspoken knowledge that is received from the ritual directly and cannot be put in books. You may then find my perspective interesting.

 

I will look at Joshua. ... I am channeling:

You are an incredible gift to this world. We will learn much from you. God bless you. Joshua?

Yes.

We love you.

I know it.

There are masters who teach in the form of yoga and so forth, all the stuff on this forum, and there are masters who teach us just as Joshua is doing. Is that all you have to say?

No.

When I look at Joshua, I don't see the crippled body and finite mind that's attached to it; I see an immense being of infinite power and creativity. Joshua is in no danger of going wrong no mater what happens to his body or whether it heals or not. Let's drop down to a level that we can relate to as humans.

No. I am told. Look deep.

The door is open; I pass the guardian of his inner world. It is dark, a void. No thoughts, no sight. Peaceful Nothingness. We are One. My body is filled with a strong energy. I see a vision of me stepping into his limbs and putting on his body like a suit of clothing. His limbs are filled with golden light. This is not a healing. I am simply sharing existence. I am sharing this with Joshua. I cannot distinguish the difference between us. I am stretching my arms out above my head and I am taking a step forward with my legs, waking for the first time since the accident. The vision closed.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:24 PM

Yes, we are God.

You are so right about 'god' perhaps having other plans for Joshua. Look at Stephen Hawking. Would his mind have been as great as it was if he had a normal existence? My guess is no.

You are truly a beautiful person. Thank you so much for taking the time to channel into Joshua. If I get wind of anything further happening with the boy I'll be sure to let you know. I too had an experience of the energy in my legs as I was bringing my thoughts into the physical.

We just can't judge it, can we?

As to Morals and Dogma, this book has taken me several months to read, to this point. I started out reading a degree a night, but in the upper degrees they are quite a bit more lengthy and require much concentration - sometimes reading the paragraph over several times to get the gist of it. I'm getting closer to finishing, though. Do check out the incredible index in the back, more like A. Pike's notes to himself as to how to find a particular thought when he needed to convey it. Just astounding, his mind.

I didn't realize before I started writing this paragraph that you had posted two next to each other. I need to chew on what you wrote earlier. I'm not familiar with the Hua Hu Ching as you are, other than when this thread was started I read some of it. I have studied maybe 12 different translations of the TTC over the years, though.

Edited by manitou, 11 October 2013 - 12:59 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 01:03 PM

 
The second word I will challenge is "intercourse". The text defines angelic intercourse as nonsexual, that is, not uniting sex organs with sex organs. You will have to decide what kind of sex that is. The term "angelic dual cultivation" works better. I will suggest that the word, intercourse, could be replaced with "energy exchange". The Karazza folks have interpreted this chapter to mean prolonged sexual intercourse in stillness, such as with Yab Yum. While that is a potent meditation device, I don't think this is the intended meaning here.
 


Just for starters, I was thinking earlier today about the zygote, when the cell first divides into two, then there is three. How very Tao that is! Perhaps all we have to do is think of the workings of the Egg to see creation continuing to manifest.

It is interesting that during tantric intercourse, should one be lucky enough in their life to experience that, that there is no sensation of two separation bodies - no friction, no nothing. Only golden splendor and a sense of totally no shame. Truly angelic.

Cell = Battery?

Edited by manitou, 11 October 2013 - 01:05 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 01:37 PM

To illuminate the sphere [planet] on one side, is to project a cone of darkness on the other; and Error also is the Shadow of the Truth with which God illuminates the Soul. ... The most virulent poisons are the most sovereign remedies, when given in due proportion. The Evil is the shadow of the Good, and inseparable from it. (Morals and Dogma, by Albert Pike)

 

How about this one? What do you see here?

 

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.

(Tao Te Ching, translated by Stephen Mitchell)


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:11 PM

I have much enjoyed the back and forth of this conversation :-)

Thank you both for sharing.
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Posted 12 October 2013 - 04:16 AM

I have much enjoyed the back and forth of this conversation :-)

Thank you both for sharing.


Please feel free to chime in. It seems like a few like-minded souls have found each other. This is truly a treat.

Regarding the above two quotes, the second one seems to address more specifically the blockages of the soul, the error thinking.

I too was taken by that paragraph by Pike when I read it, maybe two months ago. The cone of darkness is exactly proportionate to the size of the sphere, or the amount of illumination on the planet. At what point will there be no cone of darkness? Is that even possible? and the closer the sphere gets to the source of manifestation (sun) the longer the cone of darkness will be. I seem to recall later in Morals and Dogma that the end result is for the earth to merge with the sun. At that point there would be no further cone of darkness. this speaks either to the planetary set-up or the inner configurations of us. That is the key - to merge with the sun, or the source of enlightenment.

Perhaps a type of dynamic manifestations happens within the cones of other planets as well - but the balance of nature seems to happen just on the 3rd rock from the sun, or at least the visible manifestation for which our particular rods and cones are set up. Venus would have the longest cone of darkness due to its proximity. The third chakra down is the one in the throat area, is it not? That is the chakra for manifestation, or how we present to the world. Maybe there's an analogy there too.

Desires are the blockages. No doubt Josh has a desire to be away from his father. His remedy would be to transcend that desire, to learn to love his father for what he is, an imperfect alcoholic; a nearly impossible task for a teenage boy.
'The most virulent poisons are the most sovereign remedies'. Hasn't this been what we've been talking about, both with Stephen Hawking and with Joshua? Their blockages were of their own manifestation, if looked at from a totally non-judgmental perspective. As in my dream, the young girl had to swim her own way to the top, there could be no help from Lance. Perhaps Mr. Hawking engaged in some error thinking, even pre-natally, which caused his lifelong malady, although his brain certainly took off into the ethers in a scientific sense. But maybe not in an inner sense?

Darkness within darkness. That is beautiful. The cosmic soup is darkness, and our cone of darkness, of error thinking is the black within the black. Only blacker.

BTW, I love Stephen Mitchell's translation of the TTC. He made a noble attempt to modernize it, to place it more within today's framework of speech and metaphor.

Edited by manitou, 12 October 2013 - 04:20 AM.

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:39 AM

Quote Manitou: At what point will there be no cone of darkness?

 

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. (Bible, Rev 22:5)

 

Blockages:

 

Meditate upon the complete unity of yourself and all that you see. Do this not once, and not simply in present circumstances, but at all times, and especially in difficult circumstances. For insofar as you love and feel at one with those things which are difficult for you, to that extent will those circumstances be alleviated. (Hatonn)

 

Quote Manitou: Perhaps Mr. Hawking engaged in some error thinking, even pre-natally, which caused his lifelong malady.

 

And, perhaps since we are all One, a lighter part of the whole called Joshua chose to be a lesson for the darker parts of the whole which are those around him. We generally only look at what we can see on the surface. If we look deep enough, there is only one taproot.

 

Stephen Mitchell's translation of the TTC: I like it too. I chose this version because it has an added line at the end of chapter 5, "hold on to the center", which the other translations I examined was missing.

 

Battery cell. Yep, that will do.

 

At the conclusion of your practice you must always bring the energy back to your navel and collect it. Collecting the energy gathers up the excess chi in the body and stores it in the navel. It protects your body organs from accumulating too much energy. (Awaken Healing Energy through the Tao, by Mantak Chia)

 

And capacitor works as well as a definition of energy centers.

 

With each inhalation more of It will collect at the base of your skull until this subtle body basal capacitor is fully saturated with ching power. Then the power will jump to the center of your brain and cause a sensation in the middle of your forehead; that is the Floating Point Navigator opening. Should you have enough ching still rising to keep the capacitor charged the density fans out to the left and right saturating the Sylvian fissures above the ears. This signifies the shen generators are charging in the Lateral Ventricles. (Three Gems of Alchemical Initiation, by Lynn Osborn)


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 12:12 PM

Quote Traveler: (unable to work this dang machine!)

 

'Meditate upon the complete unity of yourself and all you see.....'

 

Doesn't this seem to be a type of second nature that overrides everything after a while?  I read The Impersonal Life maybe 20 years ago.  The mantra spoken over and over again in this book was 'Be Still and Know You Are God.'  I understood it at the level I was capable of understanding it at that time - I thought I understood it fully.  But it's the constancy of practicing this mindset over a period of years, as your quote mentions, that truly drives this awareness into the consciousness.  The burning ember (or the kundalini flame) seems to be alive and noticeable at all times now.  Very rarely is it not felt, unless of course one allows themselves to be caught up in the illusion of the moment and falls into emotion....as in not being able to see the forest through the trees.  This happens rarely now, but it does periodically happen.  Usually it can be transcended almost the moment I realize I'm caught up in it.  Apology is made, life travels on.

 

The thing I appreciate most about the Morals and Dogma book is that there is such an emphasis placed on removing one's defects of character, often realized a degree at a time.  I've read so many books where the emphasis is on the head-learning, not the inner clarification.  I don't think it's possible to See without having cleared out our warped lenses.


Edited by manitou, 12 October 2013 - 12:13 PM.

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 04:47 PM

Quote Manitou: Doesn't this seem to be a type of second nature that overrides everything after a while?

 

I feel this a grace. I didn't do it and couldn't have done it. The golden light acted upon me and changed me; it was grace. This sounds Christian and on a fundamental level it is, except that I no long see sin as sin. Sin is part of the illusion and when we leave the illusion, sin is seen for what it really is, part of the illusion. It exists but not in my world.

 

Atonement corrects illusions, not truth. Therefore, it corrects what never was. (ACIM, Teacher's Manuel)

 

Quote Manitou: It's the constancy of practicing this mindset over a period of years, as your quote mentions, that truly drives this awareness into the consciousness.

 

Hatonn also said:

 

It is first necessary, if the entity is to be able to receive our contact, for him to become of a certain vibration as a result of his thinking. (Hatonn)

 

The Masons put a strong emphasis on charity. A Mason is to come to the aid of a Brother in need if at all possible.

 

May the blessings of heaven rest upon us and all regular Masons. May brotherly love prevail, and every moral and social virtue cement us. Amen. (Worshipful Master's words at the end of a lodge meeting)

 

The cement of a working Mason is used as a metaphor over and over again in Masonry to teach that we need to stand united, and the mortar that accomplishes this is brotherly love, cooperation, and moral virtues.

 

I think I have jumped into this thread without looking. So, I'm looking back now at the first page and I'd like to comment on it.

 

LCH: The easy answer is that every action is some form of "energy work", to me at least.  Every thought and intention being the expressive/manifested aspect of "qi".

 

That was worth repeating. Couldn't be truer.

 

LCH: I have had a wonderful opportunity to to qi-gong "healing" on other people.  Call it whatever you want though.  It mostly has consisted of grounding the person, and getting them in touch with their own "spark" of infinity.  Nothing special, as I feel we can all do this, but I will say these experiences have allowed me to connect with people on the closest of levels. 

 

I am feeling the same way. I tell people that I offer Reiki but I no longer use the symbols. I simply place my hands on their shoulders, standing behind them as they sit in a chair, and share energy for about five minutes. So, I am grounding them, as you said. I don't claim to heal but this is often the result. My intention is to give them peace.

 

LCH: I don't perceive attainment of the "Tao" as being some sort of destination, though it can be seen as such in a life based in linear time.

 

Manitou: And we know this is an illusion!  It's all here now, past, present, future.

 

It is like there is this progression towards the light following a definite timeline, then as you step into the light, the timeline merges into one moment and you find that you are experiencing nothing particularly new but that the whole timeline is occurring at once - you are all of you all at once. Nothing new, just complete. Does this match your own sensations?

 

Manitou: people are seen as more beautiful, we stop looking for the bad or ignoble. ... What works for me is to realize that every human being, every animal all have one very specific in common:  the black spots in our eyes. 

 

That black dot image is awesome! I can now squash snails without cringing ... too much. Seriously, This is all good stuff and very true, for me.

 

"The guardians of the eight powerful energy rays" might be referring to the eight parts of the I-ching hexagram. Tao Tzu admonishes us to study the I-ching in a later chapter. As a reminder, the hexagram parts are: heaven, wind, water, mountain, earth, thunder, fire, and river.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 03:38 AM

Quote Traveler;  I no longer see sin as sin.

 

 

This is my experience as well.  The concept of sin is nothing more than the darkness within the cone, the lack of light.

 

 

Quote Traveler (ACIM):  Atonement corrects illusions, not truth.  Therefore it corrects what never was.

 

 

I believe the above quote to be the exact secret of the 12 steps.  The steps involve not only uncovering one's defects of character (illusions for sure, but still responsible for our way of seeing and thinking) but go a step further and have one atone for the defect (illusion) by making amends to the person we perceive that we've harmed.  This is the hardest part, and the only one that creates a humility even further than relating your character defects to another person.  It puts Windex to our own dark glass.

 

Re: your way of doing Reiki - a wonderful method!  I used to run energy from a short distance away, but now prefer the loving presence of touch as well.  For more serious healings, I find that a triangulation of why the person is manifestation the condition to be crucial to removing the illusion.  Then truth, then acting to the opposite.  Usually it's replacing fear or hatred with love, in the end result.  This has worked twice for cancer (failed once for cancer as well) and it seems to be working 50% with Joshua by reproducing his condition and changing it with ceremony - although Joshua wasn't even involved.  I have only been doing this for a few years, and I keep making modifications on the fly.  Haven't found the book yet that gives all the answers, and I know the answers are within; I just need to find my own clarity on day at a time and as conditions are brought to me.

 

From what I'm seeing in Morals and Dogma, it appears that at some point the Masons continue in their expansion of what is brotherly love - to include all men as our brothers.

 

And the black dot thing?  LOL, this is a simple tool for staying in Awareness during the day.  When you look into a black dot, you are looking at god.  A smile can't help but creep in and your heart melt.  Even to look into the eyes of your cat.

 

 

Traveler quote: : It is like there is a progression toward the light following a definite timeline....." (and continuing)  You asked for my sensation.  The sensation I perceive is that I am in a river of the Tao, facing downstream.  But walking backwards upstream.  The exact opposite of what 'appears' to be true in this timeline.  Going back to the beginning against the current of the downstream motion.

 

Agreed with the I Ching reference.  The I Ching is a way of measuring or pointing to the synchronicity of the moment at any one place in time.  It is just a method.  The synchronicity of the moment is just that which is in play at that moment:  the dynamics, if unchanged, will lead to a particular place.  If the dynamics are changed (done by injecting love into the situation, for example; but there again we have to get back to doing a little inner work to allow Ego to take a back seat in order to get over ourselves and love our brother as ourself), the changing dynamics will affect the outcome.  Nothing is written in cement, unless we make it so by an unchanging attitude.


Edited by manitou, 13 October 2013 - 03:40 AM.

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