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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:18 PM

If somebody has been trying to practice brahmacharya/semen retention for a while, what is the one most simple semen sublimation method you would recommend? By simple, I really mean simple: something a lay person could perform, without too many complications.

This is from Teacher Dao Zhen.  Much wisdom here, I probably quote this twice a year.  Some things he recommends are simple, but simple is..relative :)

 

By Dao Zhen On Sexuality and retention

I think for serious students, this is a big hurdle to overcome.
It is best to not get into the habit of gaining depression when an emission happens in sleep.
It is natural, and go slow and do not force anything, nor become obsessed with "saving" jing.
Keep practice, follow solid methods and guidelines.
With time, all will become secure quite naturally.
I have found the following to be a help for me in my practice.
Yet this is by no means advise from an expert, as I have very little experience.
In the tradition I am learning, it is generally accepted that a serious student is celibate.
 

- Points to help prevent emission during sleep -



1. Change conditioned habits and patterns in regards to viewing and interacting with women - on the street, and in the manner we speak and deal with them in public situations -

If we flirt, and have playful interaction with women, it may stir things up quite a bit, and cause trouble during sleep.

Honor and respect women as your sisters in Tao, yet do not view them as sexual objects, nor project sexual fantasy on women.

1-a. Do not view pornography video, magazine, or sexual movies.

2. Diet. Do not over eat, and do not go to bed while full. I have found it best to eat the last meal of the day around 5pm or so. Also in the tradition I am learning, it is thought best to follow a simple vegetarian diet, with no spice, garlic, onion, scallion, chives, and cilantro.

3. Do not have very heavy blankets on the body that will create too much heat when sleeping.

4. Do not sleep on the stomach. Sleep on the back with one leg crossed over the other – hands resting below the navel, or on the right side with one leg tucked behind the bottom leg at the knee level – right palm cupping the ear – left palm below navel area.

5. The most important point I have found that helps is to sit for 1 - 2.5 hours or so in proper seated meditation practice before sleep. This is perhaps the most important point, and will yield the most results.

In this tradition, we have a method to transfer Jing to Qi that is taught.

It is termed - "Lighting a Fire", or "Burning a Soft Fire".
It is very effective, and yields the effect of the Jing being transformed to Qi, and really is like something burns away and evaporates.

There is great warmth generated in the Lower Dantian area that moves, and steams upward during the process in a manner that is very pleasurable and uplifting.

One is left with a feeling of great expansion, and the sign that the Jing has been completely transformed, and it is safe to sleep is one has a feeling like a vast, expansive, clear blue sky.

The sign that one has made some gain in transformation of Jing over a period of time, is generally one will stop to have dream activity.

There is a great stillness in the sleep state, and no real strong dream activity.
This is also related to the pattern of the Metal conquering Wood; Or the Po suppressing the Hun during the night.

When the Hun is suppressed by the Po, it wanders away from the sphere of the liver, and the resulting experience is dreams.

As Jing is transformed into Qi, and the Hun is strengthened, there is less and less dream activity during the sleep state.

One sign I have also come to notice is that if I was lazy and just lie down for sleep without practice, there will be a feeling of something stirring in the lower Dantian, like a movement, or maybe even a worm or something is really moving and stirring.

This is a sign that one will experience an emission during sleep, and it is important to have a strong will power, and sit up and cross the legs and sit to Burn the Soft Fire.

It is also a good idea to get into the habit of getting up from sleep at any time in the night when you awake and there is a stirring in the sexual organ, or a strong erection.

Just sit up, cross the legs, and lightly gaze over the Lower Dantian area and sit in stillness.

In this system, they also teach a standing method of body movement, contraction and breathe retention in the first stages to strengthen the lower gate, to help prevent the emission during sleep.

This stage does not last forever.

It is as if the body and being is at first in a habit to let the liquid flow out, and loose the essence.
Yet with slow and steady practice, the body and being learns another way.
It becomes the natural state to preserve the essence, and no loss is experienced.

It is an investment of time.

So it takes a strong and steady will power.
Constant and steady daily practice over a period of time.
Persevere.


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:01 PM

This is so very very good!

 

 

This is from Teacher Dao Zhen.  Much wisdom here, I probably quote this twice a year.  Somethings he recommends about are simple, but simple is..relative :)

 

By Dao Zhen On Sexuality and retention

I think for serious students, this is a big hurdle to overcome.
It is best to not get into the habit of gaining depression when an emission happens in sleep.
It is natural, and go slow and do not force anything, nor become obsessed with "saving" jing.
Keep practice, follow solid methods and guidelines.
With time, all will become secure quite naturally.
I have found the following to be a help for me in my practice.
Yet this is by no means advise from an expert, as I have very little experience.
In the tradition I am learning, it is generally accepted that a serious student is celibate.
 

- Points to help prevent emission during sleep -



1. Change conditioned habits and patterns in regards to viewing and interacting with women - on the street, and in the manner we speak and deal with them in public situations -

If we flirt, and have playful interaction with women, it may stir things up quite a bit, and cause trouble during sleep.

Honor and respect women as your sisters in Tao, yet do not view them as sexual objects, nor project sexual fantasy on women.

1-a. Do not view pornography video, magazine, or sexual movies.

2. Diet. Do not over eat, and do not go to bed while full. I have found it best to eat the last meal of the day around 5pm or so. Also in the tradition I am learning, it is thought best to follow a simple vegetarian diet, with no spice, garlic, onion, scallion, chives, and cilantro.

3. Do not have very heavy blankets on the body that will create too much heat when sleeping.

4. Do not sleep on the stomach. Sleep on the back with one leg crossed over the other – hands resting below the navel, or on the right side with one leg tucked behind the bottom leg at the knee level – right palm cupping the ear – left palm below navel area.

5. The most important point I have found that helps is to sit for 1 - 2.5 hours or so in proper seated meditation practice before sleep. This is perhaps the most important point, and will yield the most results.

In this tradition, we have a method to transfer Jing to Qi that is taught.

It is termed - "Lighting a Fire", or "Burning a Soft Fire".
It is very effective, and yields the effect of the Jing being transformed to Qi, and really is like something burns away and evaporates.

There is great warmth generated in the Lower Dantian area that moves, and steams upward during the process in a manner that is very pleasurable and uplifting.

One is left with a feeling of great expansion, and the sign that the Jing has been completely transformed, and it is safe to sleep is one has a feeling like a vast, expansive, clear blue sky.

The sign that one has made some gain in transformation of Jing over a period of time, is generally one will stop to have dream activity.

There is a great stillness in the sleep state, and no real strong dream activity.
This is also related to the pattern of the Metal conquering Wood; Or the Po suppressing the Hun during the night.

When the Hun is suppressed by the Po, it wanders away from the sphere of the liver, and the resulting experience is dreams.

As Jing is transformed into Qi, and the Hun is strengthened, there is less and less dream activity during the sleep state.

One sign I have also come to notice is that if I was lazy and just lie down for sleep without practice, there will be a feeling of something stirring in the lower Dantian, like a movement, or maybe even a worm or something is really moving and stirring.

This is a sign that one will experience an emission during sleep, and it is important to have a strong will power, and sit up and cross the legs and sit to Burn the Soft Fire.

It is also a good idea to get into the habit of getting up from sleep at any time in the night when you awake and there is a stirring in the sexual organ, or a strong erection.

Just sit up, cross the legs, and lightly gaze over the Lower Dantian area and sit in stillness.

In this system, they also teach a standing method of body movement, contraction and breathe retention in the first stages to strengthen the lower gate, to help prevent the emission during sleep.

This stage does not last forever.

It is as if the body and being is at first in a habit to let the liquid flow out, and loose the essence.
Yet with slow and steady practice, the body and being learns another way.
It becomes the natural state to preserve the essence, and no loss is experienced.

It is an investment of time.

So it takes a strong and steady will power.
Constant and steady daily practice over a period of time.
Persevere.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:01 PM

Thank you, thelerner, for sharing that piece. I have a feeling that I had read that already somewhere on this forum. But a good read though.

 

I used to practice something similar to what you recommended, Lin. I used to inhale from testicles, up through the spine to the top of my head... never all the way to the dan tien. I am going to follow your advice and do what you recommended and see if I feel any different.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:16 AM

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Master Wang's 3 things necessary in order to advance in qigong which I have found to be absolutely true:

1) Calmness

2) Be a good & moral person

3) Daily practice

 

Other lists could include:

1) Balance in your life. If you like to garden do that. If you like to play music, do that, etc. Balance is needed.

2) Laugh and enjoy yourself. We only spend, in the overall scheme of things, scant nano-seconds (no, actually less than that), here on Earth in a life. Get the most out of it.

3) Live each moment in appreciation of every thing that you are doing at that moment and be in the moment. In other words, when you eat an orange EAT The ORANGE instead of eating it while you are engaged in anything else. Apply this to EVERYTHING.


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:23 AM

What-Who , is not a potential teacher ?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:31 PM

Dear TB teachers <even humble Taijiquan'ers>

What are 3 simple things we can do to improve our cultivation.

 

I taught a humble Access database class today, so 3 simple principles of data cultivation:

 

1) Honor each datum.  Don't repeat or duplicate it, but rather point to it relationally.

2) Separate your front end (the manifestations) from your back end data (the source.)  Back each up diligently, but focus especially on the source.

3) Remember that your software and data are not machines.  They are the distilled spirits of many people, so treat them as the living essences that they are, and do not cleanse them of personality.


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:58 PM

Inhale from the tip of the penis, up through the spine to the crown, and then back down to the dan tian, on exhale keep focus at dan tian.This can be done whenever the desire arises, and also throughout the day, for a constant "saving" of the sexual energy instead of letting it disperse on its own. 

 

You can also direct the energy not just to the crown, but also to the 3rd eye (pineal gland), or to the heart center, and even on the inhale you can choose to bring it up to the crown down to the dantian, and around to the mingmen, then on exhale hold focus at the mingmen. (Just a few options to play with.)

 

if one chooses to sit in meditation for this practice, do it for 15-30 minutes 2x's a day for as long as the retention practice is ...practiced. It can be done standing, lying and walking as well.

 

I hope it's all right to ask a question or two  :)

 

One question I've been wondering is about energy techniques like the above and also things like MCO and BKF's dissolving etc with respect to a lying down posture. Is there a specific posture one needs to adopt when lying down and doing this kind of energy work, or can you be lying in any pose eg on your back, on your side, scrunched up in a foetal position, arms and legs all over the place etc?


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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:29 PM

I hope it's all right to ask a question or two  :)

 

One question I've been wondering is about energy techniques like the above and also things like MCO and BKF's dissolving etc with respect to a lying down posture. Is there a specific posture one needs to adopt when lying down and doing this kind of energy work, or can you be lying in any pose eg on your back, on your side, scrunched up in a foetal position, arms and legs all over the place etc?

 

Wonderful question!

 

Do it in any position. Why? Because the mind doesn't change shape, and it is with the mind that you contemplate the method and apply concentration with. If you are hindered by the position of the body, just realize the body is a product of thought, of mind, and emotion, and thus not in "control" of your mind. :)

 

Any "energy" practice, any Qigong canbe as simple as breathing regularly, and just concentrating on it, and or in any position from walking, to showering, to sitting on the toilet, to doing anything at all.

 

As long as you feel physically comfortable in whatever position you like...go for it.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:08 AM

Thanks, that's very helpful :)


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:20 AM

This idea popped into my head.  Instead of an open discussion, make a topic for people to ask a question and have one of our onboard teachers answer, if they choose.  No discussion beyond a follow up question and no comments or 'advice' from non teachers.  <lets see if this matures or not>

 

Dear TB teachers <even humble Taijiquan'ers>

What are 3 simple things we can do to improve our cultivation.

Thank you

Michael

 

Here is my advise:

 

One aspect is enough to start off and is simple. Eat a vegetarian diet, have no flavorings or spice, (that means no garlic, no onions or anything that has a strong taste) it must be plain. Let go of your desire. One cannot achieve any form of cultivation when the mind is still full, one must begin to empty it in a real way.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:16 PM

yamu, that is a very mundane post. and i heard somewhere,, chogyam trunkpa i think, say that embracing the mundane one gets there somehow. of course the post has no weakness and i like this nugget > " Laugh and enjoy yourself "

and i agree , one could relax put their "carefree and natural" on and walk around all day with a smile. and it will be a good practice.

soon you will notice others smiling back at you and friendly exchanges. it will be wonderful for your health. and spirit will be raised.


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Posted 12 February 2013 - 09:27 PM

I think the key is to take our cultivation seriously at each moment of the moment but to take the mundane as a place to enjoy as well as BE. Sure, dance in the wu wei in the moment of the moment, but no reason not to play guitar - loudly. We are meant to experience. And, the ascended masters have a sense of humor.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:21 AM

i think we need to understand how fortunate we are to have a practice/cultivation and like you say it needs to be done daily.

all daily  hahaha halfway joking there ; ) and experience , yes. and experience for experience's sake alone. and BE authentic and true

edit> and from my perspective, with a good cultivation practice comes responsibility,

my idea about responsibility is not like taking the blame for sth but rather it is the

ability to respond


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:35 PM

always been curious... does anyone know the "sensation" from a rip in the dantien??  thanks in advanced :-)



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Posted 17 February 2013 - 06:13 AM

i think we need to understand how fortunate we are to have a practice/cultivation and like you say it needs to be done daily.

From William Bodri --

In this rare time of incredible material prosperity - unmatched by all previous world history - you only need ask yourself one major question: will you remain ignorant and squander the golden opportunity to travel the royal road of cultivation or not? The knowledge of the true cultivation way is quickly declining, so I would personally advise that you grab your chance in this life while the opportunity is still available.

History shows that the knowledge of the true spiritual cultivation path does not last long. Knowledge of cultivation teachings and techniques - as countless masters have warned - is not always humanly available and quickly becomes polluted and altered by false dogmas. The opportunity to cultivate the Tao (enlightenment) because you have knowledge of the spiritual path is exceedingly rare, for when you look around you will also see that few have correct information.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 01:00 PM

Let go of what has passed

Let go of what may come

Let go of what is happening now

 

Don’t try to figure anything out

Don’t try to make anything happen

Relax, right now, and rest


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