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Posted 05 May 2012 - 06:14 AM

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this is the one i have from 2002. and i watched it again this morning, it has been awhile since i have viewed the dvd, and i was thinking if i
gave a review, then maybe, watch it again :lol: and glad i did.
the above review is based on what i have learned from the dvd and doing the form for 3 years.
watching it again this morning i will add,
the dvd runs only about 26 minutes. DGS narrator says that it strengthens bones, improves flexibility and increases internal power.
i left out the internal power, but i think it is a given that anything bagua is going to increase internal power.
also the narrator says the 4 movements emphasize rolling, changing, stretching, and wrapping. but if you play with this form awhile,
i think you will understand why i stated as i did above.
there is great detail given on the focal points of the movements.
there is a nice slow redundancy to ensure that anyone will get the breathing pattern and the movements and how to coordinate them together.
to quote the narrator "lets try this again"
there is excellent explanation of the finer points of the breathing method and the movements.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 07:24 AM

the 3 dragons of kunlun are on the Heart of Bagua dvd.

"Heart of Bagua" is a DGS nickname commonly used in conversation, for the dvd that is actually labelled, "Bagua Circle Walking: Single and Double Palm Change". My impression is that it's the key DGS dvd that teaches foundational bagua positions and movements as well as some exercises that stand well on their own.

I've been practicing pieces from this dvd and find it immensely valuable. More than worth it for the 3 dragons of Kunlun exercises alone. There are some teachings about squats that I've been absolutely *gah!* ohmy.gif about recently. I've always been kinda tight and this has given me tips that is loosening me up into squats. (It's been so long I just never thought it'd happen.) I've gotten so much from this dvd and I've just barely gotten into the bagua parts of it (which is what the bulk of the dvd is about).

~ later edit ~
Please, you more experienced DGS guys, correct me if I'm wrong on any of this (this or any of my DGS posts). I've still a pretty limited view of the DGS system and am finding my way.


Edited by Trunk, 01 September 2014 - 06:31 AM.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:25 AM

Bagua Circle Walking: Single and Double Palm Change[/url]". My impression is that it's the key DGS dvd that teaches foundational bagua positions and movements as well as some exercises that stand well on their own.


Trunk,
the thread is an excellent initiative.
Just to dispel any ambiguities: Is this DVD suitable for the complete beginner?
You also applauded the Kwan Yin Magnetic qigong in the past. There is a thread about it somewhere. How would -you- describe how these practices - bagua and Kwan Yin MQ - work and complement each other, i.e. why not just Bagua?

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 07:23 AM

bagua circle walking: single and double palm change , imo is suitable for beginning level person with interest in baguazhang.
"i.e. why not just Bagua?" this is the route i have chosen to take.
also the Red Lightning/13 elbows form is a great foundation for baguazhang.
i will be reviewing these dvds along with Bagua Silk Reeling soon.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:34 AM

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Silk Reeling Palm change
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i wanted to review this dvd becoz of how closely it relates to the Bagua Iron Shirt dvd i previously reviewed.
there is the rolling, turning, stretching, wrapping,
rising and drilling, falling and overturning.
ok bagua stuff. and another short dvd

this dvd is in a very different style from the Bagua Iron Shirt dvd.
this one is very relaxed and my first view of Lao Xie's sense of humor. relaxed.
so even if there are only 2 or 3 new moves to the Iron Shirt form,
Lao Xie shares knowledge and insight that leads to skills:
moving your consciousness outside your body
exercises for projecting energy
yielding away from energy
scanning with your palm and plugging your palm to 3 dan tiens
sensitizing your palms

Lao Xie explains the differences of walking the circle clockwise and counter clockwise
he introduces shen skill shen gong
mind and heart and how to begin to liberate yourself from the grid.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:52 PM

Being that the silk reeling movements Zerostao was kind enough to transmit to me directly, I would imagine this DVD would be a sure fire way to get one's body connect(I feel these exercises were integral in my growth!) and the heaven and silk palm form is just beautiful and their is no other way to get the silk reeeling unless we train it. This is where I find forms like these HIGHlY important because I use this one (well, in fact all of the exercises Zerostao has directly transmitted to me) as a chi kung as well!



I have been thinking what do I want from baguazhang, I know it GIVES ME WHAT I NEED, thus making for a better all around life experience.



Scott kinda blew them off as warms ups, while the silk reeling IS an exellent warm up, it is FAR BEYOND a warm up as it is it's own form of energy and it helps one to get their shen together! This is without going into the awesome martial apps with vibrating palms.



I love to watch and do it, sometimes I include this form mbetwix red lightning where I usually put in the single palm change.


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Here the heaven and silk form that I earnedd from ZT. From what I can gather this is the older DVD. They got the the 2012 water dragon special wich comes with the original WD DVD! Dang, I gotta big 'ol wishlist



[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ81UKonKdM&feature=colike"]http://www.youtube.c...&feature=colike[/url]



Trunk ae you notcing a pattern here?



Whih DVD is this set from?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOfDQn_DGrw&feature=related

I think these two clips are from the newer silk reeling DVDs.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ngHWtnwqbg&feature=related

Edited by jaysahnztao, 08 May 2012 - 01:01 PM.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 01:03 PM

Anybody got a review for the eight mother palms DGS DVD or the Flying Needles Qigong?
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:03 PM

Scotty, Trunk, and anybody else who knows....

I believe you guys have both said that Kwan Yin Magnetic Qigong is similar to Kunlun, yet different. How so? Im familiar with Kunlun and also Jennys Yigong but not this style. Does practicing KWMQ lead somewhere else than Kunlun would?

Also, I think I remember reading on another thread that DGS has a version of red phoenix only running the energy in the opposite direction. True? Any experiences anybody would be willing to share?

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:18 PM

Which DVD is this set from?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOfDQn_DGrw&feature=related



Am wondering the same thing. A good amount of information just in that 6 minutes!

I have a question for all you bagua practitioners; do the main benefits from baguazhang come from actually walking the circle or more so from the silk reeling involved throughout the set? It seems like a lot of the real movement and connectedness can be learned through silk reeling, leaving the walking to more or less link everything together. Don't know much about bagua so that may be totally off the mark; either way from what I have seen it is a very beautiful form.

I thoroughly enjoy the silk reeling aspect, so am wondering where the best place to start for that is? Maybe here?

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EDIT: Think I was quick to assume silk reeling was the only aspect included in the form. I see other techniques (if you will) such as, vibrating palms, squats, whipping palm, etc. are definitely included. I guess my main interest lies in the silk reeling aspect.

Edited by don_vedo, 08 May 2012 - 04:48 PM.

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:26 PM

(links added)

Just to dispel any ambiguities: Is this DVD suitable for the complete beginner?

Tricky question!
1. Yes, however 2. it's more complicated than that.

Yes.
I've only practiced a little of this dvd, primarily three practices, none of which assume prior knowledge:
- kunlun dragon standing posture
- squats (w/ mudras)
- the *very* first bagua movement: dragon rolls over

If the dvd *only* had those three practices on it, I'd still consider the dvd a bargain even if it cost several times as much. So, on that basis, yes definitely worth it for a complete beginner, imho. (For instance, I'm notoriously bad at squats - too tight. DGS's methods have me loosening up into squats, very surprising.) I don't personally know about the rest of the dvd, no experience.

However, your questions start pointing to how things interweave and that's relevant and where things get more complicated.

You also applauded the Kwan Yin Magnetic qigong in the past. There is a thread about it somewhere. How would -you- describe how these practices - bagua and Kwan Yin MQ - work and complement each other, i.e. why not just Bagua?

Let me answer more broadly, not only KYMQ. From the little I've seen of this system (and I'm still at a point where I'm missing huge parts of it I bet, there's plenty of DGS practices that I haven't seen any of yet).. but how it's looking to me now, it looks like the DGS system is very strong in at least:
1. Hand and arm development
2. Bagua

Both of those have medical, martial, and spiritual application. Through various practices, the hands and arms are opened up physically and energetically. But more than that, the hands and arms are also used as levers into the torso (not an uncommon basic idea). In "whipping palm" the arms/hands are moving like waves. In "vibrating palm" the arms/hands are shaking. In "silk reeling", twisting. In KYMQ, primarily energetic. Even the kuji-in mudras, "finger knitting". All as levers into the torso to develop the core. These things add up and contribute to bagua.

Just the little bit that I've done, mostly w/ KYMQ and kuji-in, and how it relates to 'just simple standing' that we've all done (generic nothing fancy). Often times, in the past, when I've done standing I've felt as a hose with the faucet fully open and a mostly closed nozzle on the other end - the pressure builds. Now, as my hands are developing, and as my core is developing, I feel like the nozzle is being opened, the water has somewhere to go. All the earth energy pouring up through the ground now flows through more, but with a lessened sense of pressure and strain.

ime of DGS's 'dragon rolls over' the whole body is twisted into a bagua posture and there's a gentle undulation so, again, the core is being developed in a wash-cloth-like gentle twisting and untwisting of the entire torso. And the hands are positioned to let the energy flow through. btw, 'dragon rolls over' is the best kidney massage exercise I've ever tried so it's another one of those "if it were the only thing on the dvd, it'd still be a bargain".

So, to sum up.
Yes imho, the Bagua Circle Walking (aka, Heart of Bagua) would be beneficial for a beginner. (To what extent a complete beginner could take advantage of everything in the dvd, I don't know.) Also, lots of other DGS practices contribute into bagua to make the experience of it deeper.

- Trunk

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Ok. I'm taking a rest now. Lots of effort went into writing the above. *insert snooze emoticon here* It's appropriately hard for me to write about this because I'm beginning and so over my head in this system.

~ later edit ~
ZerosTao already mentioned the main silk reeling dvd. I thought I'd just mention that there is a dvd entitled, "Wudang Whipping & Vibrating Palm-methods" (as printed on the dvd) that contains both of the whipping and vibrating palm forms. So, it's sort of a built-in 2-for-1 dvd, efficient to get those methods on that dvd.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:00 AM

Am wondering the same thing. A good amount of information just in that 6 minutes!

I have a question for all you bagua practitioners; do the main benefits from baguazhang come from actually walking the circle or more so from the silk reeling involved throughout the set? It seems like a lot of the real movement and connectedness can be learned through silk reeling, leaving the walking to more or less link everything together. Don't know much about bagua so that may be totally off the mark; either way from what I have seen it is a very beautiful form.

I thoroughly enjoy the silk reeling aspect, so am wondering where the best place to start for that is? Maybe here?



EDIT: Think I was quick to assume silk reeling was the only aspect included in the form. I see other techniques (if you will) such as, vibrating palms, squats, whipping palm, etc. are definitely included. I guess my main interest lies in the silk reeling aspect.


don vedo, excellent observations about the "other techniques" and yes they are definitely included. if one is to develop deep internal power, (in this case from silk reeling) wouldnt one want to have ways to express(manifest) it?
the circle walking is a way to get the energy dispersed thru-out your body. imo/ime so i think you are very much on the mark.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:56 PM

.. Kwan Yin Magnetic Qigong is similar to Kunlun, yet different. How so?

Amongst the presentations there are some obvious overlaps (incl. RPhx). There's also quite a lot of differences in method and presentation. I'm pretty tired; if you're motivated the rest of you can sort out the details. (If this gets into comparing extensively, maybe a separate thread?)

Just to sketch broadly...
I will say that, for me personally, DGS's presentation gave me a better understanding of what the hands are in relation to the body, how to charge and activate them individually, what to look for and feel in the interaction between the hands, and I found that all that resulted in much more focused resolution into the central channel (super important). Also, there are a number of major pieces (in both method and principle) in DGS's KYMQ that aren't in the other presentations, that I've found important and helpful in my practice. Worth while even if you've learned the other versions, imo; far from being just redundant.


Edited by Trunk, 01 September 2014 - 06:33 AM.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:16 AM

Which DVD is this set from?
..
I think these two clips are from the newer silk reeling DVDs.

via e-mail from Lao Xie, he commented:

... I enjoyed reading the threads... the sepia park clips and whirlwind palms clips are only clips and are not a dvd..


Also, I added this to one of my posts above, thought it worth repeating here.

~ later edit ~
ZerosTao already mentioned the main silk reeling dvd. I thought I'd just mention that there is a dvd entitled, "Wudang Whipping & Vibrating Palm-methods" (as printed on the dvd) that contains both of the whipping and vibrating palm forms. So, it's sort of a built-in 2-for-1 dvd, efficient to get those methods on that dvd.



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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:05 AM

@Jaysahnztao. heal well and quickly my kung fu brother. you are a great inspiration to me.

before my next review, a few general comments from my perspective. limited as it is.
early on i collected up about 20 DGS dvds and there are about 8 more i have wanted for awhile
and when it is the right time and i am ready, i will get them.
there is alot of information, insight, knowledge , and skill on the ones i already have.
it is good to go over these and over them again. that is why i like dvds.
for me they never get old. in a word , i might use "magicals" or i could use "miracles"
for me, these dvds are highly valued treasure.
take your time with these and move on when you are ready.
my chosen path is Baguazhang. this is a lifestyle art.
and it has to become a lifestyle or you aint gonna get it. imo
it will take effort , it will be humbling. it will be totally worth it.
there will be times when you might think, i really suck at this.
and there are gonna be times when everything just smoothly flows and floats effortlessly like a cloud.
these first 3 dvds i review here have a redundancy, a very useful and beneficial redundancy.
it is explained differently on each dvd, skillfully.
i never said that Baguazhang is for everyone.
for me, this teacher, this school, this art is a perfect fit.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:26 AM

shania?
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
but i digress.

Circle Walking: Single and Double Palm changes
or as some of us say "the Heart of Bagua"

i already had 7 or 8 DGS dvds before i got this one. it is the DVD i initially recommended to Trunk
when we had a fortunate mis-communication :)

this dvd is a good starting point especially if you may wanna know if Baguazhang is going to be your cup of tea.
maybe we call this dvd "the heart of bagua" becoz it opens your heart.
the 3 dragon stances we have talked about (warrior stances, double vortex stance) and 3 dragon mudras.
you are gonna learn how to relax no matter how hard it seems. over time it gets easier.
in the beginning i had a little pain in the stances or squats. not so much anymore.
relax. create the dragon back.
dragon posture and pulsing power.
single and double palm change. internal/external palm change.
chi kung.
and when i say chi kung , let it be understood this is internal alchemy. this is shen gong.
excellent detailed circle walking and stepping.
stretch and relax.
what makes an expert?
taking the time to get the fundamentals down right.
this dvd is a great foundation for baguazhang.
take your time with it. develop good posture and good habits from the start.
greatest emphasis is on the walking. step by step you gain.
fascinating commentary and instruction from Lao Xie.
obviously i have a loyalty to this teacher.
and loyalty is a 2-way street. i certainly feel the loyalty is returned.

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the first word is Dragon. if you choose this path , it is the path of dragon bagua.
this path leads to the dragon gate.
you will be connecting to the dragon.
stretch, relax, and open your heart.
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Posted 13 May 2012 - 03:13 PM

Maybe somebody here could help me with this.

I've been doing some Chen style silk reeling, and added a "serving cups" routine with a few other bagua fists. From there I'm adding a few things from watching DGS demonstrations and the silk reeling video above.

Serving cups generally keeps the palm facing upwards. The flowing wrists of Bagua could put some additional strain if not held right. Is there something to be sure the wrists are proper? Maybe the balance of loose and flex or not holding something in the palms?




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