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#1 Trunk

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 09:07 PM

Several people whose breathing accomplishment I respect have highly recommended this book. I've taken it out of my closet and dusted it off, look fwd to reading it bit by bit as I have the time.

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Hopefully those of you who have read and experienced more about this book will share some for the benefit of us newbies.

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#2 Trogdorf

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 10:26 PM

Thanks Trunk,

From a noobs perspective;
This seems to be a very complex topic. There are allot of dos and donts attached to it, as well as allot of miss-information and silliness out there

As such it is hard to know exactly which process to take..
Especially if you are Masterless (like me) or your Master/ Teacher doesnt have a bone to chew on...


I'll add this to my shopping trolley.

Thanks again!
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Posted 18 February 2010 - 07:22 AM

From what I've seen this book is really good.. Lol I have a book from Dr.Yang right now.. its pretty good and covers general knowledge. This book seems to cover some stuff im involved with so I think I'll buy it..

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 08:09 AM

I like Dr Yang's engineer mindset :) IMHO this book should be on the shelf of any person who does meditation, it covers these fundamental aspects that well.


170 pages of relevant translation of ancient text, chinese included - Goldmine there, even if you dont wish to rigorously follow Dr Yang's methods to a t.

"The accomplishment of all this depends on the peaceful spirit and calm mind, no vexation and no disturbance." (178)


"Practice gradually until reaching the stage that Embryonic Breathing is "as if there and as if not there" (186)


I know some people have knocked his grasp on the more advanced methods like xi sui jing as being only theoretical, but this subject at hand, being so very fundamental, is explained very well and thoroughly in this book.

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 01:00 PM

Several people whose breathing accomplishment I respect have highly recommended this book. I've taken it out of my closet and dusted it off, look fwd to reading it bit by bit as I have the time.

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Hopefully those of you who have read and experienced more about this book will share some for the benefit of us newbies.

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Is this the translation of a taoist book?
Can you tell me which one in case?


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Posted 19 February 2010 - 05:41 AM

Is this the translation of a taoist book?


No, the translations and commentaries are collated from a number of documents:

"More than 150 documents related to Embryonic Breathing practice, written during nearly four thousand years of Chinese Qigong history, are now available. Many of these documents focus on theory, while others emphasize the general concept of the practice. Naturally, the contents of many of these documents are redundant or repetitious." p155

"The main sources of documents were from Daoist and Buddhist society, with a few from scholar and medical society. Documents generated from martial arts society are very scarce. Even though there are some, their discussion and practice remains on the surface level.

The majority of the documents translated and commented in this book are from the following sources:

1. Dao De Jing and Qigong, by Ding, Xin-Bai and Pan, Ming-Hua; Anhui, China, 1996
2. Chinese Qigong Dictionary, by Lu, Guang-Rong; Bejing, China, 1988
3. The Great Completion of Chinese Qigong, by Fang, Chun-Yang; Jilin, China, 1989
4. The Study of Practical Chinese Medical Qigong, by Ma, Ji-Rhen; Shanghai, China, 1992
5. The Complete Book of Nourishing the Life in Chinese Daoist Qigong, by Li, Yuan-Guo; Chengdu, Sichuan, China, 1991,
6. The Great Completion of Chinese Life Nourishing, by Fang, Chun-Yang; Jilin, China, 1992
7. Important Collection of Concealed Daoist Qigong, by Hong, Pi-Mo; Shanghai, China, 1991."
p156

[Chinese characters missed out and I took the liberty of using a semi-colon to separate the place of publication from the authors].

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 10:48 AM

Will someone please give me an outline of the actual breathing method Dr. Yang recommends to practice?

Thanks.

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 11:01 AM

This book is an overview of techniques; a collection of signposts if you will.

Starts with General Concepts which includes talk about breathing as employing a strategy - whatever sort of breathing you are doing, it is a technique, even if you're paying no mind to it. The points lead one toward more granular control over the breath and manifestations thereof. Natural Abdominal Breathing specifics as well as Reverse Breathing specifics are covered.

After that there is a section on theoretical foundations that ties physical mechanism in with qigong theory.

Followed by a good 170 pages or so of translations and commentary of a collection of ancient documents, all covering the subject but quite a few overlap since they are on the same topic - but even so, each "signpost" tells a tale from a slightly different perspective. This is perhaps the most profound section of the book, and the original Chinese text is included.

Next chapter is ~5 pages of focused summary of the ancient documents...

And then about 20 pages of practice specific methods, including a closedown/shougong meditation exit that has some massage in it as well.



Basically, if you know how to do natural abdominal breathing and reverse breathing, you will know a decent percentage of what's in here already, but there's a thousand little points in here that any practitioner of any amount of expertise may glean valuable information from. To enough of an extent that it can easily take you from mundane to marvelous if you practice diligently.

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Posted 02 March 2010 - 12:23 PM

Hi

I've had this since the day it came out (had it on pre-order at Amazon). JoeBlast describes it very well with the word "signposts" - there is not a lot of how-to instruction in technique here, especially for someone with no experience, but there's a lot of motivation to practice and to delve deeper into the meditations. Dr. Yang encourages experimentation and state straight-up that he also does not have the answers to everyone's questions. He's very humble in that way and that just makes his work more valuable to me, since I'm such a rotten student to begin with and always apply my own interpretations to everything.

There are so many nuggets of wisdom in those translations, you can really just open the book to any one of those pages and start reading, just for the enjoyment of it.

One of the more profound Qigong moments I ever had was when I first turned to the page with the image of the Taiji superimposed on a sketch of a standing person. The Yin point of the Yang field is situated directly in the middle of the head (the Mud Pill) and the Yang point in the Yin field in the true Lower Dantian.

The center of the Taiji, though, where Yin and Yang meet, is where's it's really at. That's something you discover with this book.

I'll write more about my experiences with the book later. I had some pretty profound moments with it.

What about you, Joe? Have you put the book into practice? Had any special experiences?

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Posted 02 March 2010 - 12:25 PM

Will someone please give me an outline of the actual breathing method Dr. Yang recommends to practice?

Thanks.


Get the book, really.

It isn't a "breathing method", it's a rebirth.



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Posted 02 March 2010 - 01:47 PM

There are so many nuggets of wisdom in those translations, you can really just open the book to any one of those pages and start reading, just for the enjoyment of it.

This is perhaps the best feature of this book - it is absolutely something you can just open up and begin to connect with, although there is an underlying progression to the concepts presented.



What about you, Joe? Have you put the book into practice? Had any special experiences?

Absolutely! Been practicing this for a good while, have fallen in and out of depths of the practice (of course, life's events, etc...we all know how that goes) but some of the coolest stuff I've had happen was doing this. We've had a good discussion relevant to this stuff over in Pietro's learning to breath thread, although that is primarily focused on BK Frantzis' teaching methods. I borrowed the longevity breathing concept from BK and combined it with the embryonic breathing and that got me some pretty unmistakable results like a super tonifying jolt to my metabolism when I was hitting ~minute long breaths, no-breath breath (turbulence in your air passageways falls below the threshold of innervation; you can no longer feel yourself breathe) which is akin to the "one-breath" that Max teaches, and...words fail much of the rest :D

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 09:53 AM

Ok, well - I finally opened up this book to start in - based on recommendations from several people that I really respect re: breath, that don't know each other, and all recommended this book highly.

Yet, partly, I wasn't looking fwd to it. So thick. "Introductory concepts", blah! <_< Anticipated drudgery.

What a enjoyable surprise each page has been! :D

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 07:55 PM

Woot! A reason to read this book. I've owned it for a while. I'll join in.




Several people whose breathing accomplishment I respect have highly recommended this book. I've taken it out of my closet and dusted it off, look fwd to reading it bit by bit as I have the time.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 11:18 AM

Well, I'm 50 pgs into the hundred pg Ch#1: General Concepts.
* gaaahhhhh! * :o
I've never been introduced to "what is qi gong?, what is jing, qi, shen?" like this. :) :) :)

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 02:26 PM

I've never been introduced to "what is qi gong?, what is jing, qi, shen?" like this. :) :) :)

How does he define them?

Depending on his viewpoint of them, I might be persuaded to buy this book too. :)

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 03:50 PM

How does he define them?

He's all over the place.
For instance, "qi gong" he goes into different categories of qi gong, briefly tells you about each's purpose and nature, and how they are woven together. You get an overview of the art seen from different angles.




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